Friday, July 13, 2007

A List of Liturgical Abuses

Before Milwaukee can even deal with the Motu Proprio, we will have to address the myriad of liturgical abuses. A Hail Mary for A Catholic Mom in Hawaii for this link: Tabulation of Most Common and Serious Liturgical Abuse.

Gee, some parishes in Milwaukee do ALL of those abuses! (St. Mary's Hales Corners, anyone?!) There is barely any semblance to a Catholic mass!

Here are a few biggies:

Use of "gender neutral"/"inclusive" language in Scripture readings or Creed CIC/83 846.1 CIC/83 838

General, sacramental absolution given during the Penitential Rite during the Mass; and/or, outside of Mass, merely because,
although confessors are available, there are a large number of penitents
CIC/83 961

Homily given by someone other than a Bishop, Priest, or Deacon at Mass ID element 2 ID element 3

The Creed is not said on a Sunday or Solemnity GIRM element 44

Recipe for altar bread includes ingredients other than flour and water in the dough (except in an Eastern rite parish)
ID element 8 GIRM element 282 CIC/83 926

People standing during the consecration and Eucharistic Prayer due to absence of kneelers GIRM element 21 Notitiae, 14 (1978) 302-303

One parish that I know of was using little cubes of bread for the Host, made of so many ingredients it was deemed invalid matter. That means, for 10+ years in that parish there was no mass taking place. Can you imagine if your child's First Communion fell during that 10 year period? Your deceased husband's Holy Viaticum?Invalid!

St Mary's Hales Corners used to give out the Eucharist to people in little see-through plastic envelopes--not a pyx. The priest would holler out, "Communion for the Sick!"and a small group of parishioners would come forward to shove the Eucharist into purses and pockets. No Gloria, penitential rite omitted, pastoral associate giving the Homily, (telling me that the Catholic Church allows her to do this)...the list is endless....

Terrence Berres also mentions this:

Friday, March 30, 2007

Why do we no longer kneel during the Eucharistic prayers during Ordinary time?

AJ asked this question of Father Charles Schramm on the "Ask the Pastor" page of the web site of St. Mary's Church in Hales Corners. It's a good question, given that section 43 of the GIRM [131 pp. pdf] says
In the dioceses of the United States of America, they [the Faithful] should kneel beginning after the singing or recitation of the Sanctus until after the Amen of the Eucharistic Prayer, except when prevented on occasion by reasons of health, lack of space, the large number of people present, or some other good reason. Those who do not kneel ought to make a profound bow when the priest genuflects after the consecration. ...
Fr. Schramm, however, responds
Dear AJ

This is a complex issue. In the earliest Church the posture during the Eucharistic Prayer was standing since it was considered THE posture of respect. At one of the early Councils it was decreed that "standing would be the appropriate posture from this time forward." In addition to being divinely founded the Church is also a human institution and the choice between kneeling and standing has gone back and forth. Since standing was adopted here at St. Mary's especially during the Easter Season it was decided to be consistent and continue this posture throughout the year.

If you were to worship in the Eastern Rite churches--including those in union with Rome you would find that they have retained standing as the appropriate posture during the Eucharistic Prayer.

Please note that since kneeling is a penitential posture we do incorporate it during the Penitential Rite during Lent which is considered THE penitential season of the Church year.

Hope this is helpful!

Fr. Chuck

It certainly is, though perhaps not in the way Fr. Chuck intended.***

What gets my goat is people getting hot and bothered when told about this list or the GIRM(Milwaukee Chancery anyone?). They act like its a personal attack on them and no one should suggest their parish priest is doing anything wrong. Instead of getting on their priest's case for not being faithful to his vows, it's cry and attack people who let them know what the Catholic Church expects. Can you imagine getting offended because someone told you the Catholic Church expects you to kneel?


10 comments:

fgrimes21 said...

This is one of those topics that just makes my blood boil. All of this is allowed simply because we have two generations that know nothing about their faith. I know, because this applied to me growing up in the 70s. There is a monumental amount of things to know about being Catholic. Think of it - we don't know the Bible, the Catechism, traditions & customs, Catholic history, lives of Saints, etc. I'm only scratching the surface on many of these things as an adult and I have to do it on my own very limited time. Who is going to teach our children these things? Ignorant Catholic parents? If they do try will they get it right? Many times not, instead only confusing children. Worse yet, we don't know how to defend our faith & our children are more suspectible to believe rumors from anti-Catholic rhetoric.

If people really believed in the Catholic faith then these abuses would not be tolerated. Read Catholic history and you see many a uprisings for much less flagrant offenses.

This will take a long, long time to fix.

diana said...

Great posting fgrimes. I have nothing to add.
I can only think that Archbishop Dolan knows that his influence is limited. There is just no changing these errant priests. If people choose to go to these parishes, what can you do? If they care so little about their faith that they don't even investigate it, then so be it. If they want to cry and moan when told what the CC really teaches,who can help them? They have all the information out there. Thanks for writing.

Dad29 said...

The "It's an attack on US" attitude is going to cost the Archdiocese several millions of dollars if the 'fraud' damages suit prevails.

Nothing could be better for the Church than a good dose of sunshine, whether about their homosexual pervert-protection frauds OR their liturgical shenanigans.

diana said...

Dad29,
I am thinking the only hope now is these priests retiring and dying off. Of course we should pray for their eternal souls and hope they change, but it seems they had no intention of living the priesthood. I really believe that book by Michael Rose(Goodbye Good Men). A few orthodox Catholic men I know entered the seminary then left because of the rampant homosexuality.

Dad29 said...

Just returned from an Ordination.

When will Apb Dolan internalize that applause is for performances (sporting or artistic), and NOT for Mass?

One wonders if, given his cutesy humor and applause-line stuff, this Abp actually "gets" what B-16 talks about in liturgy...

Beth said...

Wow, I guess we are blessed around here. I've never heard of any of those abuses in any church. Does this stuff really go on?
I think we live in a bubble in this diocese - we are blessed with a great bishop, priests, deacons, nuns and seminarians. Thank God!

diana said...

The applause thing gets my goat. It even happened at the Opus Dei mass at the cathedral with Bishop Morlino.

I wonder if Dolan feels the people of Milwaukee are set in their ways. I think he has his eggs in one basket: waiting for better priests to take the place of the crappy ones.

diana said...

Oh Beth, it sure does! Unfortunately! And people around here believe in a completely different religion and think that it is the Catholic faith.
Another thing St Mary's in Hales Corners does is self intinction--people get communion in the hand and then walk over to the lady holding the Blood (or as far as they are concerned the lady holding the wine) and dunk the Host in the clay cup and then consume It...It's pathetic around here!

Anonymous said...

I find it interesting that this site is more concerned with rubrics than with belief. However, it is very clear that this is a pre-vaitcan II site and does not have ANY understanding of the purpose of liturgy -- transformation and a closer relationship with a God who loves. Who loves with no boundaries and who spent time with the people...NOT the rule makers.

diana said...

Oh how funny!
Hi Father Tim!!! I haven't visited your site in so long! How's Che?